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On Mandatory Sonograms (aka: Rape By Government): A Rape Victim Speaks

The Komen foundation defunded Planned Parenthood, not for any reason aside from a premeditated political one.  At the present time women are faced with having to go through government rape via sonogram before having an abortion, possibly from their rapist.

The Virginia State Legislature just joined Texas, Oklahoma and Iowa in passing two of the country’s most restrictive abortion bills, giving women less of a voice and the government dominance over a woman’s body.

 

The Personhood bill as well as mandating an intrusive mandatory vaginal probe for women seeking abortions has just passed– a better suited for the bill would be, rape by Government.

 

 

 

A rape victim would hardly allow herself to be victimized again by having a stranger probe her with foreign objects, as well as their hands. These unnecessary bills are intrusive and unnecessary as well as no regard whatsoever for women. States are now forcing women to have their rapists babies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If sincere, Republicans would listen to a rape survivor and determine her thoughts, and since that will never manifest, watch this video from 2010 when the bill was first introduced, then you tell me why Republicans are allowed to impose their moral values onto this woman’s life, as well as so many others.

 

And now it’s 2012 and Republicans want to dictate our birth control methods too.

 

H/T: @JoeSegal with my thanks

Image: Mayo Clinic

 

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By Anomaly – February 19, 2012

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  • Sarah

    Here’s the thing. I had to have one of these (trans-vaginal scan) When I was pregnant with my baby daughter. I wasn’t having an abortion, just going through all the checks they suggest you have when you are going to have a baby. I was raped more than 10 years before that, and I found the procedure, triggering and difficult. Despite being happy to see my baby the whole thing was very violating. I was grateful to have a female doing it I do not think I could have coped if a male was present. I can not even begin to describe the hell, that woman who has been recently raped would go through if she had to have a scan like this so soon after the rape. It’s cruel. At least when you have abortion, you are sedated or unconscious. Have a heart. These women have been through enough.

    • AJ_Olding

      Before I start; I feel terrible for you, and my thoughts go out to you.

      So, you don’t like the transvaginal scan, and you oppose the law right?
      What if transvaginal scan is removed as a possibility just in cases of early stage pregnancy or prior life trauma? Keep in mind, the transvaginal scan(based on my understanding) is only used if there is no heartbeat detected, so outside of the early stages, I would think it would be increadibly rare.

      To the rest of you liberals on this site just throwing hate at me;
      This right here is how you have a respectful conversation with someone coming from a different point of view. I didn’t threaten, demean, attack, or wish that Sarah had been aborted. It isn’t that hard. Stop calling me a bigot, taliban(I’m looking at you Behar), or woman hater. All name calling and hate does, is lower your opposition’s opinion of you and your ideas. It forces people to dig further into their ideas. In that way, it makes it even harder for either side to win.

      Sarah, none of that last paragraph was directed at you. I’m sure you’re a wonderful person.

  • AJ_Olding

    First you do a sonogram. If a heartbeat isn’t detected, then the trans-vaginal ultrasound is used. So, this isn’t something that is going to affect most women getting abortions. And you guys don’t like this bill, because you don’t want to hear a heartbeat, because you don’t want to admit that you have life growing inside you apart from who you are, and it isn’t your body. It’s someone else’s. I feel so sorry and so bad for the rape victim speaking in the video, but I find it sickening to think you are hiding behind that argument, because you simply don’t want to see what you’re killing. You don’t want to be forced to see that life exists.

    Also, how much more intrusive is this than an actual abortion.

    And guess why this Bill is OK. You guys gave us the green light to mandate these things by passing obamacare, and the contraception mandate. If you’re going to give the government the power to mandate things, you’re going to have to realize that there will be things mandated that you DON’T LIKE. And guess what. You’re arguments gave us the power to do this. You’re the ones who said that mandating medical practices was fine, so look at what happens. You have no one to blame but yourself.

    • D Rant

      Ultrasound not good enough for you?

      • AJ_Olding

        I think the sonogram is good enough. It gives you a heart beat to listen to. Just so that you know what you’re doing. Who you are killing when you get an abortion.

        • Iamalwaysright

          AJ, too bad you were not an abortion

          • AJ_Olding

            Great point. You know I actually know a few people who’s mothers almost decided to have them aborted(Why you’d tell your kid that, I have no idea), but it really does speak a lot to what abortions have taken from the world and from society. And for you to make a joke like that -first off it’s nothing more than trolling, and- is increadibly disgusting. Can’t we have a conversation without encouraging, promoting, and practicing hate?

        • Heidihanson

          Just like the REST of the lying CONS, you really dont think women dont know that it is potential life. NO what you REALLY want to do is RAPE the woman for not wanting to carry the fetus to term. YOU really want PUNISHMENT. You are not trying to enlighten anyone. We all know what you are about. You are about HATING women.

          • AJ_Olding

            if
            loving life = hateing women
            then
            yes, I hate women.

            But that’s not the case. From my understanding, the vast majority of women who choose to have an abortion, but have a sonogram first, choose not to have the abortion. This is because hearing a heart beat makes that life real and visible to the mother.

            “you really dont think women dont know that it is potential life.”
            I know that you think you know it’s a potential life. But, what I do know that you don’t know is that there is nothing potential about this. We are talking about a human life, which is real.

            Again, only if the sonogram fails, will the trans-vaginal scan be used(and by fails I don’t mean anything the mother chooses, I mean if there is a technical difficulty or the heart beat can’t be heard). So, it’s a slim chance.

            Oh, and I’m also for raping men to prevent prostate cancer.

            • Dezzydez

              Wrong AJ. Most women that have ultrasounds go on to have abortions. It is a unesscary medical procedure that can be done by a blood test. This bill is patronizing to women. We are well aware of the potential life in our uterus. We are aware that terminating our pregnacy there will be no baby. Women are not stupid. Stop treating us as children that do not know any better.

              • http://www.facebook.com/sammysings Sammy

                Where did you get this idea? Do you have a link to verify this? Everyone I’ve ever known to be pregnant in the past 25 years has had an ultrasound. It’s a common procedure done during most prenatal care plans.

              • AJ_Olding

                An estimated 85-90% of women considering abortion would disagree with you.

                “This bill is patronizing to women.”
                If it’s not life, then why do you have a problem with seeing the child? Because the child is living, and you don’t want to admit that.

                If you had something that wasn’t living inside of you, I’d have no problem with you getting an abortion, but why don’t we at least look at the little guy you want dead first. We don’t sentence people to capital punishment without due process.

                • Dezzydez

                  Still wrong. Most women report having an abortion despite having an ultrasound. We know the fetus is alive. Again women are not stupid. We know what abortion does and we are okay with that. Even most doctors are against this bill because it is medically unnessary and can be done with less invasive. All this does is punish a woman for considering abortion.

                  • http://www.facebook.com/sammysings Sammy

                    Prove this stat. Maybe most women who have abortions previously had an ultrasound, but that’s because most women who are pregnant get ultrasounds. But there is NO correlation between an ultrasound and abortion.

                    • Dezzydez

                      I’m talking about pregnant women that are trying to get an abortion, not all pregnant women.

                  • http://www.facebook.com/sammysings Sammy

                    But I agree the bill is punishment.

                  • AJ_Olding

                    Okay, now that you’ve admitted that the child is living, how can you justify killing him or her?

                    • Dezzydez

                      Of course the fetus is alive. I never said it wasn’t. But that does not change the fact the fetus not entitled to forced life support from anyone more than you or me.

                    • AJ_Olding

                      Life Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.
                      Now which one of those covers life? Maybe it’s the ‘Life’ part.

                • Dezzydez

                  The difference between a death row inmate and a fetus is that latter is solely dependent on a woman for life support. Thats why a fetus is not considered a person.

                  • AJ_Olding

                    “Thats why a fetus is not considered a person.”
                    If you left a new born in a dumpster, would he or she not die?

                    • Dezzydez

                      A newborn can be cared by anyone unlike a fetus.

              • AJ_Olding

                You can see the picture of a child with a blood test?
                You can hear a heart beat through a blood test?

                • Dezzydez

                  The picture and heart beat is not required for a safe abortion.

                  • AJ_Olding

                    How can an abortion be safe? There’s a 100% mortality rate for abortions.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sammysings Sammy

      I thought it was the conservative party that was opposed to forcing medical procedures on the unwilling. And answer me this: why is it that the same group of people who so vehemently opposed to abortion are also opposed to the one thing that has been proven more effective in reducing abortions than any legislation, easy access to contraceptives and education regarding contraceptive use?

      • AJ_Olding

        “I thought it was the conservative party that was opposed to forcing medical procedures on the unwilling.”
        A)Does this law violate your religion?
        B)If you didn’t want these kind of policies, then all I can say is this; You can’t support policies that give the government more power if you aren’t willing to accept how the side you don’t support might use those powers. Yeah, you can make the Unconstitutional claim, but your side is the one making precedent for health care mandates, so if we lose ours, then you automatically lose this. Plus you don’t have the 1st Amendment on your side. We do. So even if we do lose the Contraception Mandate, that won’t be precedent against this sonogram bill. Do you have an argument based in law, policy, the constitution, or precedent? Or is all you use to argue, what you says goes?

        “why is it that the same group of people who so vehemently opposed to abortion are also opposed to the one thing that has been proven more effective in reducing abortions than any legislation”
        Freedom to practice Religion. First Amendment.

        “education regarding contraceptive use?”
        Look at the country today. Teen moms on the rise. Single Parents on the rise.
        So, your “education” on contraception seems to be ignored, for the idea that sex is OK. And sex is OK, but if you teach younger and younger, then intimacy is removed, love is removed, childhood innocense is removed. Oh, and last time I had sex-ed I asked what a condom was. That’s how young I was. I was 9. The lady wouldn’t tell us what a condom was, but she told us about sex, so at nine, I know what sex is, but I don’t know what contraception is, because your “teachers” didn’t tell us what that was. So as a nine year old(When interest in girls is first developing) I knew what sex was, but I had no idea of what Contraception was. So I, like many was taught about how sex is normal, but didn’t know what contraception was. I had no sex-ed after that, so what was I and the rest of my classmates left with, well;
        Between the class above me, my class, and the class below me, I know of at least 7 bastard kids. Between about 60 kids, at least 7 kids have been birthed. I’m only 20. I’ve known about all of these kids since about two years ago. So, there’s your contraception “education”. Being told to use contraception, having little to no idea what contraception was, and then spending time discussing realtionships, kissing, and STDs. Great education. Oh, and as of last I heard, none of the parents are married, and only one is still with the other parent(I actually remember the very last conversation I had with the mother, back when I was 14, I think. She was bitching to me about how her mother was forcing her to take Birth Control. She chose not to use Birth Control in spite of being forced to use Birth Control. Maybe give us a shot at this now, because as long as teen mom is on the air, we still haven’t done enough.

        • http://www.facebook.com/sammysings Sammy

          Teen pregnancy is actually on the decline and has been for two decades…except in those places that teach abstinence only. Nice try. Thanks for playing.

    • Susieq

      the rethugs need to have this probe shoved right up their asses, it is as simple as that, SCUM of the earth AJ are you a male? If you are you are A PIG who has no say in this.

      • AJ_Olding

        So, if a man has no say on abortion, then that would be because a man can’t have a child. So that would mean a man can’t have a son or daughter, so that would mean that a man can’t be a father. So I never ever want to hear about another man who has to pay child support.

    • Kataniat

      You are extemely ignorant. The health care mandate mandates people are OFFERED equal healthcare- not mandated that they undergo certain proceedures against their will. It PROTECTS people who cannot afford to get proper healthcare. The contraception mandate was a DEFENSE of womens’ right to get medication that they need and use for a number of reasons, including preventing pregnancy. In case you didn’t know, when a woman is allowed to plan her fertility, she is generally allowed to get a better education, make more money, become a contributing and confident member of society. Women in 3rd world countries who do not have this right, nor support, nor access to proper healthcare to prevent pregnancy are the epitome of what it looks like to have no control, no respect and little power over their bodies, their lives, their fertility. The problem with you socially conservative, usually religious (scarily so) group of people is that you don’t understand the difference between the rights of a person and the broadsweeping smothering, brianwashing ways of most churches. I think it is sick what you conservatives are trying to do with throwing us back to 50, if not 200 yrs ago with regard to human rights.

      • AJ_Olding

        “equal healthcare”
        translation;
        The ability to bone without consequences using someone else’s money, who might find this morally wrong.

        “The contraception mandate was a DEFENSE of womens’ right to get medication that they need”
        Okay. If they need it, then why hasn’t a compromise involving purpose of drug being non-pregnancy related been brought forward? Humanae Vitae allows for hormone pills in that instance. But still nobody brings this idea forward. Why? My guess; Because this has to do with sex, and not healthcare.

        “when a woman is allowed to plan her fertility, she is generally allowed to get a better education, make more money, become a contributing and confident member of society.”
        Don’t bone put up $0.75 for a condom, or get Birth Control through some other means(Your insurance probably already provides it).

        You have a right to use Birth control. You DO NOT have a right to Birth Control. Big difference, yet one of those is protected by the constitution, and the other is not.

        “I think it is sick what you conservatives are trying to do with throwing us back to 50, if not 200 yrs ago with regard to human rights.”
        Okay, so 200 years ago, the Republican Party didn’t exist. But, let me give you a history lesson. In 1854, the Republican Party was founded by Anti-Slavery Activists and ran on a simple platform of EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL. We still fight for those rights. Healthcare is not a right. Liberty is. Which side are we on in the Mandate Debate? Of course Liberty, because nobody should be forced to provide something that their religion teaches to be morally wrong. That’s liberty. Being able to bone is your liberty. You just need to provide the means for preventing pregnancy.

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