San Antonio, Texas Councilwoman Elisa Chan was caught on audio participating in an appalling discussion about the gay community on May 21 in her City Hall office, where she was meeting with members of her staff to discuss the city’s proposal to update its nondiscrimination ordinance, adding protections for sexual orientation and gender identity.
The recording was captured by iPhone.
28 year-old James Stevens, an aide to Chan at the time, but quit this week, released the audio to the San Antonio Express-News.
My decision to record in the first place was that, during the staff meetings, we weren’t really discussing the ordinance itself,” Stevens told me. “We were really just talking about ways to appeal to the (voting) base and to get them fired up as opposed to analyzing the ordinance.”
Chan “is only focused on her political future,” he continued. “She’s not focused on the policy itself and how it’s going to really affect the city. We spent 80 percent of that meeting talking about how disgusting homosexuality is.”
Chan says in the recording, “You know, to be quite honest, I know this is not politically correct. I never bought in that you are born, that you are born gay. I can’t imagine it.”
San Antonio Express News reports the dialogue, “As the talk shifts back to pansexual people, whose sexual orientations encompass all gender identities, Chan asks, “How can that be?”
“I will say, ‘Strip down! What equipment do you have? I’m telling you. Crazy. We’re getting to crazy realm.”
Chan says, “That’s why I never would say that outside because they kill me. When I say that it’s … behavioral preference, they say that, ‘No, you’re born with it.’ But I never bought into that.”
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An aide suggests that homosexuality could be linked to biology: “Americans can, with almost a 90 percent success rate, identify gay people by their face alone.”
Chan said, “No, that’s because they shave. And I also think they could take hormone shots.”
The conversation shifts to the possibility of Chan submitting an Op-Ed, presumably to the San Antonio Express-News, regarding her stance on the non-discrimination ordinance.
(Earlier in the recording, Bazan warns, “The road we’re going … incest and being able to marry animals, that’s all going to happen,” echoing red-meat Republicans such as Rick Santorum.
(Late Thursday, Bazan gave a statement: “I was basically explaining the viewpoint that some people have on the gay marriage issue. What I said was wrong and I deeply regret it. I can say that those comments, which were intended to be purely political, do not reflect my heart. Councilman Nirenberg, whom I currently serve and support, has made it clear that discrimination is not negotiable, and I am proud to work for him.”)
Back to the recording.
Bazan said, “You get the most political points by standing up for traditional values on this one. This is not an economic argument. This isn’t a small government argument. This is a social, cultural argument right here and … you’re going to score the biggest points by taking that stand.”
Chan said, “This is my philosophy, guys. Whatever you want to do in your bedroom is none of my business, but do not impose your view on other people, especially becoming policy … because personally, I think it’s just disgusting just to even think about. All the definitions.”
“But I don’t want to go against, necessarily” she said, “I don’t want to beat up anybody. Maybe what we can do, can we maybe throw some questionable confusions like, OK, this ‘transgender,’ because the definition is so broad… Maybe I say I was not educated on what transgender is about.”
Chan later said, “By the way, this is politically incorrect. I don’t think homosexual people should do adoption. They should be banned by adoption. You’re going to confuse those kids. They should be banned.”
“If you wanted to choose that lifestyle, we don’t want to discriminate you, but you shouldn’t affect the young people,” she continues. “How terrible. … They’re going to be confused. You see two men go into a bedroom. You see two women kissing. Is that not confusing? It’s confusing.”
What’s actually confusing is Chan being all over the map.
She continues, “It is actually, what you call, suggestive, for the kids to be corrupt, which is against nature. I’m telling you, anything that is against nature is not right.”
Chan continued, “Can you guys come up with a draft?” she aska her aides. “Come up with draft with all the good, those arguments we talk as a speaking point, in terms of we’re addressing an issue that is not an issue. This is national politics again at the council level.
“This is another layer of bureaucracy, that we have not heard any discrimination,” she continues. “And then add in the family value in there. … Maybe I’ll use the industries, that we have a trend, that is, maybe I’ll use we have water rates and CPS rates to worry about.”
Above all, Chan says, she does not want to be seen as disdainful of people’s “choices.”
“We do not want to attack any group,” she says. “I’m respectful of their choices, right? Even though I don’t believe that, but they’re free people, they can do whatever they want to do. But … don’t just come back and say you’re being discriminated.”k,
Holy smokes. Well Chan just learned a valuable lesson: the Internetz is a thing, holla!
There’s a lot more here.
H/T: My Internet buddy Tom with thanks.