53 percent either support Obamacare or say it’s not liberal enough, majority want John Boehner replaced

A couple of new polls are out which means it’s a very bad day for the GOP.  In one poll though, aside from a strong dislike for House Speaker John Boehner and Congressional Republicans, the problem with Obamacare is that it’s not liberal enough. I’ll just go out on a limb here and suggest that perhaps if Republicans want to save their party, which is in its death throes (yay), then they should work with the president — which is an entirely new concept for them — to make Obamacare  the best it can be.

We’ll even name it Romneycare if it makes Republicans happy but we’ll be pointing and laughing when we do.

Obama-gives-up

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We’ll start with the new CNN/ORC International survey which indicates that more than six in 10 Americans say that Speaker of the House John Boehner should be replaced.

A few excerpts to savor via CNN:

“According to the poll, just more than four in 10 say they favor the law, with 56% opposed to it. But of those opposed, 38% say they are against the law because they think it’s too liberal and 12% say it’s not liberal enough. That means that 53% either support Obamacare, or say it’s not liberal enough.

“We fought the good fight. We just didn’t win,” Boehner said at the end of the shutdown. And while he received a standing ovation at a closed gathering of House Republicans as the crisis came to a close, he may not see anything to applaud in the new poll.

“John Boehner fares just as badly as the GOP,” CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said. “Sixty-three percent of all Americans think that Boehner should be replaced as Speaker of the House, a view shared by roughly half of all Republicans.”

The survey indicates that the approval rating for Congress remains near an all-time low. Only 12% of those questioned say they approve of the job Congress is doing, just two points higher than the historic low in CNN polling. And 86% give federal lawmakers a thumbs-down, also near the all-time high.

(emphasis mine)

It gets better. Or worse, depending on your party affiliation.

The Huffington Post reports:

 A new survey of 25 GOP-held districts shows dwindling favorability for Republican members of the House in the wake of the recent government shutdown.

The survey, conducted by liberal-leaning Public Policy Polling and funded by MoveOn.org, is the third in a series of polls that indicate Democrats have a shot at taking back the House of Representatives in the 2014 election cycle.

The results of the latest survey show that incumbent Republicans in 15 of the 25 districts polled trail generic Democratic candidates. When combined with the results of the previous surveys, the polls show that generic Democratic candidates lead in 37 of 61 GOP-held districts.

When voters were informed their Republican candidate supported the government shutdown, 11 more districts flipped and one race became a tie.

Democrats in the House only need to see a net increase of 17 seats in order to take back the majority. This poll indicates that Democrats could see an increase of as many as 49 seats.

The poll conducted by Public Policy Polling is the latest in indicating the possibility of taking back the House and that is the of the utmost importance.

Prepare for the inevitable ‘it’s skewed’ claims from the right.

So, let’s get together and sweep the House. For any of our readers who have a Twitter account, leave your handles in the comments. We should all be following each other. Let’s get to work and clean out the House. There is no activism like Progressive activism.

FreakOutNation’s tech God and tipster (I get most of my news from his timeline) @ComgenKDT.

Yours truly: @Anomaly100. 

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  • Republicans_are_Evil

    The GOP had a plan for a permanent majority. Now they face permanent minority status. Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving political organization.

    • HelenRainier

      That Karl Rove is such a kidder, isn’t he? /snarkily

    • BanditBasheert

      Well honestly, the “white” majority just isn’t there anymore. That scares the gated housing people…who look around and see that it isn’t the MAID who is African American, it’s the NEIGHBOR.
      ooooooooo – lock up the silverware and set the alarm system.

  • KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker

    Once the ACA gets underway and people experience it’s benefits, the republican lies will be laid bare for all to see and these numbers move even further. An appropriate nightmare for these evil bastards

    • rjcarter

      I for one welcome the opportunity to become a permanent part-time employee. It will afford me the opportunity to move into a smaller dwelling and acquire the character building that comes from having to make do with much less.

      • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

        If I moved into a smaller dwelling, I wouldn’t be able to stand up. Us small dwellers do not live the glamorous lives everyone thinks we do.

        • BanditBasheert

          I have an extra guest suite with private bath – if you want.

    • BanditBasheert

      I agree – and am wondering WHY (since it was a Heritage Foundation plan back when Romney put it into place in his state) they are SO damned afraid of it? If it is going to be such a monumental failure, why is the GOP making such an issue about it?
      Seriously – if it’s damned to hell, let it happen. The American people generally are capable of forming an opinion as to whether they like something or not. For example they LIKE Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. We have realized for years that one of the functions of our Government is to take care of the less fortunate – and people PAY into these programs just like they would the ACA.
      What ARE these Toady TeaBillies afraid of? That it is going to succeed when they want it to fail? Why the big rant and rave?
      Let it happen.

  • Concerned50

    Today I became ANTI-REPUBLICAN – Join Me!
    Republican Party Goals have fought against the people so that the 1% could have money and tax breaks, corporations more subsidies and tax loopholes. This year the Republicans stepped over the limits committing acts of treason, sedition, and bribery, all clearly documented. Republicans blocked all bills that would help all the people recover from Wall Street Greed. Republicans blocked jobs programs to get people back to work. Republicans blocked food for children and seniors. Republicans blocked any and all revenue needed to help the all the people, while at the same time trying to give more tax breaks and subsidies to the 1%. This is why the Republican Party is dying. 87% of Americans consider the word Republican to be synonymous with greed, racism, and violence. Only a masochist would vote Republican.
    Now that we know who you are BEWARE: CONGRESSIONAL BULLIES, WE ARE WATCHING
    YOU. COUNT ON IT!

    KEEPING THE RICH IN PERSPECTIVE:
    Rich US Stats: There are only 147,000 people that make over $250,000 a year. Of that 400 are Billionaires – 100 of which could take just 2012 income and feed the world 4 times over. Now that would be world democracy… finally America walking it’s talk. Democracy for all, Justice for all.
    Global Rich: In the world today, the 32 million adults worth over $1 million collectively hold $98.7 trillion in personal wealth. These affluents make up 0.7 percent of the world’s adult population and hold 41 percent of the world’s wealth. A graduated wealth tax that averaged 0.5 percent on all personal wealth over $1 million
    would raise about $500 billion annually, nearly triple the $169 billion needed to raise every soul on the planet out of extreme planet. Do We Need Another Rolls-Royce Showroom? http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/19513-do-we-need-another-rolls-royce-showroom

  • Cosmic_Surfer

    Statistics, damn statistics and lies…Statistics get used to promote everything from alien abductions to Big Foot, It’s all in how one tweaks the question and how one groups the numbers.

    The GOP mouthpiece and the Democratic Party mouthpiece both do it. The only way to get at a somewhat realistic opinion (I have been called by 5 polling companies in 2 days here – 3 involved ACA; 1 on gun control and 1 on education – CO amendment 66) is to view multiple polls asking the same question and keeping the stats separated into their original categories.

    14. As you may know, a bill that makes major changes to the country’s health care system became law
    in 2010. Based on what you have read or heard about that legislation, do you generally favor or
    generally oppose it?

    15. (IF OPPOSE) Do you oppose that legislation because you think its approach toward health care is
    too liberal, or because you think it is not liberal enough?

    Favor (from Question 14) 41%
    Oppose, too liberal 38%
    Oppose, not liberal enough 12%
    No opinion 9%

    38% are the only people who think it too liberal. I suspect a tiny part of that goes off the rails to CruzLand

  • mea_mark

    The real GOP (not T party), know that the fight over ACA is a lost cause. In order for the GOP to make a come back they are going to need to throw the T party under the bus. With another showdown coming, early next year right before the next election cycle, over the ACA and budget the GOP will have an opportunity to do just that. Throw the T party under the bus. The GOP won’t win many elections but they will clean house before the elections in 2016. This is an acceptable sacrifice they will have to make. The gerrymandering is in place from the last census to do this and rebuild now. If they don’t do it now they will be too close to the next census and risk losing the advantages they gained from gerrymandering. I fully expect the GOP to sacrifice the T party and nail them, not to a cross but nail them to a T.

    • nuisance207

      Coward. Glad you’d put party politics ahead of what’s good for the country.

      • mea_mark

        Your comment makes absolutely no sense.

        • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

          You COWARD! You do not understand his nonsensical comment?

          • mea_mark

            I am guessing you let this through on purpose to make us all look highly intelligent..??

          • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

            Yes, yes I did let it through accidentally on purpose.

          • BanditBasheert

            She’s leaving me to do the “poofing” … this one isn’t worth the keystroke.

          • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

            I leave some of them up because they make us look like geniuses.

          • BanditBasheert

            It doesn’t take much does it?

      • http://www.tumblr.com/blog/akinsc Carla Akins
      • BanditBasheert

        Who and what???

    • BanditBasheert

      I don’t think so. They seem to be on a high speed train traveling to nowhere. Let them crash. This is how politics work. It’s like a tidal ebb and flow –
      really who cares about these people? They are old OLD WHITE MEN – (mostly) – look at the pictures – there is no way they are not all on Social Security and Medicare, TriCare or the VA. Which means they are on some form of Socialized Safety Net – they just don’t want others to have the same.
      These people are afraid. The look around and they see that we are NOT a majority white country – and we are trending away from being one. For some reason, that whips them into a frenzy.
      Bottom line they are selfish. They are trying to deny ALL services to people that don’t fit into their preferred bubble.
      The GOP will continue to support the TBigots. It’s going to require a lot of effort to get rid of the trash – it’s not always easy to look around and see the rot within.

      • mea_mark

        They may very well miss out on, what I think, is their best chance to clean things up in their party. No big deal to me if they do or don’t, it is just an observation of mine. If they want to stick around as a party and help provide some counter point to how we move forward and progress, great. If they want to self destruct and leave it all up to the people that want to forward that is fine also.

      • Jeanne173

        When my son graduated college about 25 years ago the keynote speaker, a woman, said that in 20 years the white people would be a minority in this country. My mother went with us to the graduation and on the looong drive home I had stereo bigots. My husband, the bagger, and dear old mom. I have found that older white woman are just as bad as men when it comes to not one of us dear. Thank god my sisters and brother take after Dad. Younz would have liked daddy.

  • rjcarter

    47% of all statistics are made up.

    • Hank

      “The survey, conducted by liberal-leaning Public Policy Polling and funded by MoveOn.org”

      I’m just wondering how much faith I should have in such a “Poll”, when I find it. ;) And wondering what all of you would say if I reported, “I have a survey, conducted by Fox News and funded by the Heritage Foundation and the Koch Brothers!”??? ;-)

      The Republicans need to understand the Democrats/Liberals/Left are out messaging them in a very serious manner. They have mastered that particular part of Alinsky’s Rules and have used it to tremendous success.

      This is an excerpt from something I received from someone. I would source it but I really don’t have the original source, but I agree with it almost exclusively. (Although I might have used a little different language.) “Killing Grandma”, “Hurry up and die”, “Want dirty air”, Want dirty water”, “want to control a woman’s body” (except for them motorcycle Vaginas!! Want no part or issue with those!! ;-) )….these are all ignorant statements from the left casting the right in the light THEY want them to be seen. And it has worked.

      I know some of you will take issue with the language of this. And personally, I would have worded it differently. But this is exactly what the Left/Dems/Libs have done to the right and it’s about time the right starts to message fire against fire.

      Now….as far as I am concerned, the best case scenario would be for neither side to use tactics like this. But I don’t think you will get the left to stop acting like this. And it is working very well for them. So, the only thing I see is to react in kind.

      (I am Hank and I approve of this message.) :-)

      “Turn the Tables. We need to make fun of anyone who labels themselves Democrat, verbally harass them and make them ashamed of their peer group. That is what they have done to conservatives in public for different reasons (we don’t care, we are cruel, etc.) and it has worked. People believe them. We can turn the tables on Democrats and use their own tactic against them.”

      Disclaimer: I would have worded it entirely differently but the message would have been the same. The Right can no longer afford to allow the Left to “Out Message” them.

  • http://www.CriticalBlast.com R.J. Carter
  • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

    Good article. I usually read that author’s posts. He’ll even reach out on Twitter and discuss the topic. I like writers that are not so above it all that they do not communicate with readers.

    • Hank

      “I like writers that are not so above it all that they do not communicate with readers.”

      Hear, hear!! :-)

  • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

    Doesn’t matter. PPP has been accurate, in contrast to Karl Rove’s meltdown on the air.

    In fact, this poll echoes every recent poll. Every one of them. Including one that Ted Cruz paid for.

    • Hank

      What got me “moderated” on that one??

      • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

        I have no idea. Some comments just get stuck in the queue randomly including my own. Disqus gets glitchy sometimes.

        • mea_mark

          I just like to think of it as “GOD” giving us a chance to make sure we are saying what we really want to say.

          • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

            Seriously. You got down voted for that?

          • rjcarter

            No doubt one of your rabid anti-theological-reference atheists scanning and clicking by reflex. :)

          • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

            I go through almost all of our comments just to upvote anyone who is down voted. Do you realize how time consuming that can be? Anyway, I’m wondering if there’s a way to get rid of the down voting thingy. I think there is. Up votes are fine, and I’m not saying that I’ve never down voted anyone because I have. Some comments are screaming for it, but I’ll even up vote reasonable Conservatives, because discussion is healthy.

          • BanditBasheert

            We tried to find that out on another blog and Disqus (at that time) said there was no way to opt out of the down arrow thingy.

          • http://comgen.blogspot.com/ ComGen

            Can be hidden via CSS

          • http://comgen.blogspot.com/ ComGen

            Yes there is and if I can figure out this “spare time” thing bandit mentioned I might implement disabling down votes or votes in general.

          • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

            Oh I see. Just because you work 29/8 you feel ‘entitled’ to spare time.

            The fuckery of it all.

          • rjcarter

            Next thing you know, he’ll be wanting off Christmas! Make sure he comes in all the earlier on December 26th!

          • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

            He’s such an ingrate. I mean, I allow him to work here tirelessly for no pay. What’s the problem?

          • mea_mark

            Down votes are just badges of honor, it means you really are getting to them.

          • http://comgen.blogspot.com/ ComGen

            Or some JackAs# with way too much free time.

          • Hank

            Wow!! How glad I am to hear that!!!

          • http://comgen.blogspot.com/ ComGen

            You do wear the badge well :-)

          • rjcarter

            I feel AWESOME now! :)

          • rjcarter

            Not like we need the downvote. This ain’t Digg. :P

          • mea_mark

            I up vote people a lot if what they say is any good at all sometimes just so that when I come back later for new comments I know I already read it and don’t start reading it again.

        • Hank

          Just curious. I thought it might be the reference to the Heritage Foundation or the Koch Brothers. ;-)

      • http://comgen.blogspot.com/ ComGen

        Don’t worry much about being moderated, do worry if you don’t return from it :-)

        As I pointed out before, there are several automated scripts/plugins that are transparent to our mods that from time to time have been known to false flag ” send to moderate “. I monitor the logs and pull out anyone that *might* get stuck. Disqus our comment system is quirk prone, generally this is on their end or keywords we have listed to flag for moderation might trip up on spelling / grammar. Please do not feel offended or singled out. I get flagged often just for saying “Hello”, even been flagged as spam a time or two for posting nothing more than a link of neutral content ( though I think I have that issue worked out ). We also mod all URL/Links per default and one of my custom scripts check ALL links, post included for malware or other harmful content–also subject to burps and I do watch closely to insure nothing legit is rejected ( this includes clean right wing sites ) though the posting of those are subject to site mods and site wordsmithtress Anomaly.

        • BanditBasheert

          So what DO you DO in your spare time???

          • http://comgen.blogspot.com/ ComGen

            Spare time????? WTF is that!?

          • BanditBasheert

            Tell Missy A you need a raise

          • http://comgen.blogspot.com/ ComGen

            Yeah! I’ve been asking for a chair and unlimited supply of post-it notes for while now……no luck !

          • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

            Listen you, with all those imaginary Soros dollars I generously give him, I should not have to give him an imaginary raise too.

        • Cosmic_Surfer

          Quirk prone…Tell me it ain’t so! Argh

    • Hank

      If you have any “reliable” polls reflecting that someone votes specifically AGAINST the ACA simply because they don’t feel it is “Liberal” enough, could you share??

      • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

        I meant polls reflecting public disapproval of Congress, however, there have been polls in the past that have said this very thing. When you break them down and actually look at them, the disapproval of Obamacare ratings typically are because it’s not liberal enough. On that note, we have two sites, FB was down all morning and ComgenKDT is a slave driving meanie so I’m going to get in a fetal position and suck my thumb now:-)

        • BanditBasheert

          Agree … although I disapprove of Congress because I think the 2010 RWNJ are ruining the country for the billionaires.
          For example, our 3 diddlers (Flake, Salmon and Schweikert) all voted to NOT reopen the Government. Fortunately MY representative in our TeaBagger area voted YES so I’m not totally ashamed.
          Schweikert is a gazillionaire and a liar (personal experience with him).
          Flake? A rabid Mormon asshole who runs around spouting antigay rhetoric to anyone who listens while his gay son is in a partnership with Matt Salmons son.
          Matt Salmon? See above paragraph.

          All fonts of conservative values? Right?

      • BanditBasheert

        I do NOT believe the ACA is liberal enough. My personal preference is single payer. I have said so in numerous phone calls to our residence.
        Want to run that around the board again?
        Single Payer is already bureaucratically set up – it’s called MEDICARE. The Government has all contracts in place with providers and hospitals. All the structure is there and functioning – the Medicare website functions perfectly.
        The ACA is simply a giant vending machine allowing Insurance Companies to SELL insurance to people. The FREE MARKET so beloved by the RightWingers in action!
        So now we have the TeaBigots PROTESTING the beloved Free Market?
        This isn’t about health care, this is about health insurance.

        • Hank

          I’m still honoring my word to the blog owner not to engage you, mention you or even vote down your swill. I would appreciate a reciprocal effort.

    • Hank

      If I wasn’t respecting my promise to you, I would be pointing out the Godwinesque reference above. ;-)

  • mea_mark

    That made the local news here in Texas. The extreme far-right are falling in love with Cruz. Problem is, America is not falling in love with the far-right.

    • BanditBasheert

      Agree – in fact America thinks they all need mental health evaluations.

  • juicyfruityyy

    True. We need to take the House back and remain in control of the Senate. I don’t think that their Impeachment of, President Obama, is going t work out well for them

    • BanditBasheert

      We need SIXTY Senators – doing the right thing. If nothing else it will shut Calgary Cruz up for awhile. He sounds like a mosquito trapped in a tent at midnight.

      • juicyfruityyy

        Crud, has a big ego. I don’t think that he would shut his mouth, even if, we had 70 Senators. Right now, he is accusing the liberals of being mean to him on tweeter. He neglects to see, that his own party isn’t happy with him.

  • BanditBasheert

    Fine – Texas can HAVE him. Forever. We need 5 seats for 60 in the Senate – the only thing Cruz can do (after he is marginalized) is gum things up. He can be filibustered too.
    People like Cruz (RWNJ-Canada) flame out. We’ve seen it before in our politics. At the end of their lives, comets explode and so will Cruz….because he actually stands for nothing.

  • Cosmic_Surfer

    The CNN article noted first is from the CNN/ORC Poll – it is not PPP. Reading comprehension…

    Here are the stats…again

    14. As you may know, a bill that makes major changes to the country’s health care system became law
    in 2010. Based on what you have read or heard about that legislation, do you generally favor or
    generally oppose it?

    15. (IF OPPOSE) Do you oppose that legislation because you think its approach toward health care is
    too liberal, or because you think it is not liberal enough?

    Favor (from Question 14) 41%
    Oppose, too liberal 38%
    Oppose, not liberal enough 12%
    No opinion 9%

    As far as PPP – it is very accurate, regardless of who pays for it…

    As far as Republicans understanding “liberals” are out messaging…Geez and you aren’t?
    FOX does not exist, right? Or Heritage or FreedomWorks or TPN?
    Nor does CNN exist, right?(FOX Lite) The first poll is their’s

    • BanditBasheert

      Thanks for pointing out that messaging does happen on both sides. Although we don’t really have our own personal propaganda machine like Faux News – similar to what was in Germany in the late 1930’s chugging out propaganda to the German citizens.

    • Hank

      I didn’t mean “out messaging” as in “out of the office”. I meant “out messaging” as in putting out their message more consistently. More effectively. And the organizations you mention aside, on a VASTLY wider basis.

  • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

    On my way!

    • BanditBasheert

      it’s 85 during the day and in the 50’s at night … bright sunshine every day and 0% humidity

  • mfbinc

    anti-republican? how about becoming anti-party? both sides are thieves and have destroyed our economy. anyone who thinks in terms of right or left are antiquated fools…..at the highest level they only care about special interests and the 1% …wake the hell up fools…..

    • mea_mark

      If the organization for all those people that wish to not belong to an organization would get more organized and do something, like put some candidates out there to vote on that have a reasonable chance of winning, more people would support that kind of movement. Until then, we have what we have and it is best to make the most of it. Lets try and point at least one of the parties in the direction that is best for all, if not both.

      • mfbinc

        what you seek is impossible…..when you get to the highest levels of govt you have to go along to get along……a democratic rep in the dist where i live told me that tongue lashing he received from one of the democratic leader in his state because he refused to have his meal paid for by a rep of a large corp. and because when it came time to turn in his receipts to get reimbursed, he only put in for the actual amount and not the full amount allowed like “everyone else does”. they’re corrupt from the inside out and they both pull wool over everyone’s eyes trying to make it seem like what they do is for the interests of the people and the country but it’s only for their own interests and those that put money in their pockets “legally”….wake up people

  • http://www.CriticalBlast.com R.J. Carter

    Thousands get health insurance cancellation notices

    (So much for keeping your current coverage if you like it.)

    http://www.nbcnews.com/health/thousands-get-health-insurance-cancellation-notices-8C11417913