Cliven Bundy Ranch Speaker Warns Of ‘Civil War,’ Promises Harry Reid Will Have His ‘Balls Ripped Off’

Mike Vanderbeogh, leader of the militia group Three Percenters, spoke to militia members still gathered at Cliven Bundy’s ranch in Nevada last week,warning that the country is “staring a civil war in its bloody face.”

The name ‘Three Percenters ‘ is derived from the fact that 3 percent of colonial British subjects took up arms against the King during the revolutionary war. It should be noted that Vandeboegh wrote a novel that allegedly inspired a domestic terrorist plot in 2011, but whatevs.

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The nice guy Three Percenter said, “All over this country, we are still staring civil war in its bloody face.”

Vanderboegh went on to claim that Sen. Harry Reid, who has criticized the Bundy ranch militias, “is promising us all civil war on a vast scale, because state-sponsored violence is they only way they can win an argument with free people, especially free people who are armed and who are willing to use those arms in defense of liberty.”

Right Wing Watch reports, “Vanderboegh then told the legend of an Alabama woman named Jenny Brooks whose husband and son, according to Vanderboegh’s version of the story, were killed by state law enforcement collecting taxes for the Confederate government. According to the tale, Brooks went after the men who had killed her family, killed two of them in return, and turned one of their skulls into a soap dish.”

At that point, Vanderboegh pulled out a skull and declared that he would present it to Harry Reid as the “2014 Award for Incitement to Civil War.”

He added, “Don’t poke the wolverine with a sharp stick, Harry, unless you want your balls ripped off.”

Watch courtesy of Right Wing Watch:

Federal law enforcement officials are investigating threats made against Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid by Cliven Bundy supporters. To prove they are not ‘domestic terrorists’ as Reid claimed, some of them are threatening his life.

  • Betty Eyer

    He thinks someone besides HIM is inciting violence?

    • m2old4bs

      Well yes, there are others like him who spout off the same, but like him, they too scream that others, like the big bad government, is doing the inciting. Amazing, heh, how personal responsibility is neither in their vocabulary nor in their actions.

  • AnthonyLook

    Uber tea party birther racist projection.

  • Riccardo Cabeza

    What Mike Vanderbeogh fails to realize is, the other 97% will skull ufkc him and his merry band of domestic terrorists. If this dipshit thinks the Feds are going to let these armed robbers take over the state, they are vastly mistaken. You can bet your next paycheck that as we discuss this, the Feds are planning how to take down these seditious criminals.

    Just remember, when a teabag bitches about small government and lower taxes, America thinks Cliven Bundy.
    Vote republican sedition in 2016!

    • http://batman-news.com Khary A

      WELL SAID!!

  • BanditBasheert

    Another aging dimwit. They seriously need to be extremely careful what they wish for. Because they are going to pay a price for their threats.

  • mrsgunka

    What a pathetic piece of humanity. Wish someone would dig the sand burr out of his saddle! Do any of these people work? Do they just go from one skirmish to another to make themselves feel important? Do they think real Americans are looking up to them? Do his kids and grandkids look up to him as a hero, or “Grandpa is a little soft in the head?” Does he think the Koch’s are going to fund their civil war and he will be made a general?

    • BanditBasheert

      No – apparently they are too “good” to work (or too damned old evidently from what I’ve seen). I’m sure people like this buffoon are on Medicare and Social Security … glommed from the GubMint. He’s just another Bush – all hat and no cattle.

      • mrsgunka

        Looks like the brave man is wearing a bullet-proof vest…..look at his back. All hat and no balls!

    • http://www.the-trades.com rjcarter

      Not to let anyone think I support a civil war, but you do realize that almost without exception each of your statements above, or a form thereof, has been made by conservatives when Zuccotti Park was occupied?

      • Linda1961

        The Occupiers weren’t armed, nor threatening civil war. No doubt cons were saying such things about them, but what they said wasn’t based upon reality, whereas MrsG’s words are.

        • mrsgunka

          Thank you Linda. I don’t even know what Zuccotti Park was about. Sorry, I’ve been a little occupied myself. I don’t remember anything about threatening civil war, guns or castration. Is this when the police sprayed tear gas on the people sitting in protest?

          • Linda1961

            The tear gas incident was UC-Davis, I don’t remember what the students were protesting. The Occupiers were protesting the Wall Street and bank bailouts.

        • http://www.the-trades.com rjcarter

          So? The arms have nothing to do with the concept of gathering from one contentious site to another instead of spending time at a job or otherwise being productive. Nothing Mrs. G. said had anything to say about weapons.

          • OHDisqusNSA666100

            How many places of employment are there in the desert? Bundy and his racist traitor scum supporters are moochers.

      • AnthonyLook

        There were no guns at Zuccotti Park, there were no expressions of allegiance to sovereign citizenship, there were no rallying cries for civil war, there were no threats for armed confrontation, there was no racist element, there was no desire by the peaceful demonstrations at Zuccotti Park to purposely elicit a WACO response. We all know what these malcontents are capable of and more than likely are planning.

        • BanditBasheert

          I suspect they will get what they are asking for. At some point. Bundy is a criminal and a deadbeat. More and more it is becoming obvious that he is not succeeding in his effort at martyrdom.

          • AnthonyLook

            Let’s pray it doesn’t come to that.

      • OHDisqusNSA666100

        The protesters in Zucotti Park had strong public support, were not bragging racists, and were actually feared by those set against them – and peaceful and non-violent.

        • http://www.the-trades.com rjcarter

          Coverage by CNN and MSNBC does not equate to “strong public support.”

          • Perrofelix

            Neither does non-stop Clive Bundy coverage equate to “strong public support” of same.

          • z–man

            Strong public support amongst those who spent $80k on a degrees in “Gender Studies” and now can’t find jobs. Otherwise, very little elsewhere.

          • OHDisqusNSA666100

            There is no such thing as degrees in Gender Studies.
            What you said is false. You sometimes make false statements.

          • z–man

            Oh really?
            At Indiana University, “Women’s and GENDER STUDIES”..
            women-studies/information-for-students/degree-programs.php

      • Nicko Thime

        Hey, wait! Look over there at the irrelevant crap!

      • z–man

        Priceless. What I find amusing is this: No matter what the argument is, the Left always either blames George W. Bush or the Koch Brothers. So predictable.

  • neworleans878

    Good God, I’m terrified! The two dozen in the crowd…and I’m being generous…will over throw the government!

    If people like this ever did over throw the government, they’d come after your guns first thing.

    • OHDisqusNSA666100

      Clive Bundy absolutely would be the 1st to take away Americans guns if they didn’t agree with his ignorant racism.
      Of course, he will never get to do that, and he is going to end up in jail for sure.
      If the Koch brothers got their Nevada land privatization, they’d charge Bundy higher fees and if Bundy was even one cent underpaid they’d take his meager slimy possessions and put a collection agency on him.

      • SWEETSWOO

        It is all about Greed here–Cliven Bundy is deflecting his obligations to pay his fair share. The Koch Brothers are so filthy rich and they want to own AMERICA and the whole planet as well. So they can pollute their planet and control who lives on it and who slaves and dies.

        • z–man

          Here we go with the frikkin’ Koch Brothers again.. Okay, ready? I’ll see your Koch Brothers with a George Soros and raise it with a Michael Bloomberg.

          • SWEETSWOO

            and I will see your Koch brother and Cliven Bundy and your George Soros and raise it with a Sheldon Adelson and a President OBAMA

          • z–man

            You want to RAISE with OBAMA?? LOL. Sorry, there’s a MINIMUM bet at this table, Sweetiegoo. I’m all in with Bacon Explosion. You Lose!

          • SWEETSWOO

            LMAO– z-man you are so funny… BUT if you raise with Obama you win the game. If you were to raise with George W and Dick Cheney, you lose the game.

          • z–man

            Oh, god no…..George W and Dick “birdshot” Cheney….those guys should be in prison!

          • OHDisqusNSA666100

            If the anti-American Koch bros privatized the land in Nevada, they’d charge you fees to use it, if you didn’t pay in full and on time they’d play hardball, you know this is true.

    • SWEETSWOO

      It is not about an overthrow- It is always the fact that these people deflect the reality of a situation. They are AMERICAN and UN AMERICAN at the same time. These are the very people that cry to the leaders of the TEA PARTY conservatives who by the way, act the exact same way.

  • BanditBasheert

    Well at least he admits Harry Reid HAS balls. All this idiot has is a big ugly mouth – in the REAL OLD WEST, he would have been horsewhipped and hung long ago.

  • AnthonyLook

    We are witnessing the desperate whimpers of a last gasp of malcontent losers. Apparently now they have set up check points to monitor who travels into Clark County— they seem determined to exacerbate the situation.

    • Linda1961

      The residents of Clark County can’t be too happy about that.

      • AnthonyLook

        I suspect that these check points being obviously ridiculous and non productive to their cause is but a stepping stone to a much stupider move that conforms to their agenda of confrontation. They are undoubtedly considering illegal confrontation hoping to incite a larger response of support. Their attempt will be to rally high number of supporters to come to the aid of their failing plight. They have no handle on the pulse of America, the political winds of American voters do not side with law breakers, racists, anarchists, anti American sovereign delusionals, wannabe terrorists and tax evaders.

        • BanditBasheert

          You have a good point. They scream and yell and spew … but for the most part, very few people are actually up for a huge firefight for some fat old rancher who can’t pay his bills. I’m betting most people consider this a soft story – being fanned by idiots who are trying (and failing) to make a point.
          That’s the problem with these individuals, they are ALL MOUTH and they say they’ll back it up with a gun.
          Let’s Roll ….

      • BanditBasheert

        They are being very careful – not doing it on either State or Federal highways .. only the county roads (like they own those!)

  • http://plus.google.com/+OleOlson novenator

    Perhaps they failed to notice how the US Military took out their religious conservative brothers in the Taliban so easily!

    • mea_mark

      1 drone and a couple blackhawk helicopters would lay waste to these idiots so fast they wouldn’t know what hit them. It really is a joke, a very sad joke. Maybe some well placed explosives that leave huge potholes in the roads around bundys ranch would get their attention. It may be time to start cutting them off from civilization. Let’s see how they fare on their own, without support from the public utilities or government built roads.

      • http://irasciblemusings.com/ Bob Cronos

        The hate for those that disagree with your “enlightened view” runs deep doesn’t it? Lousy childhood?
        Yes, Bundy is a joke… Why do YOU take him seriously?

        • OHDisqusNSA666100

          I suppose you don’t admit you’re standing up for the racist traitor Clive Bundy, Conservative.

          • http://www.the-trades.com rjcarter

            You keep using a lot of extremist talk. You mad bro?

          • http://irasciblemusings.com/ Bob Cronos

            “Yes, Bundy is a joke… Why do YOU take him seriously?” —

      • http://www.the-trades.com rjcarter

        Bundy apparently knows how to build a road.

    • http://www.the-trades.com rjcarter

      The Taliban is gone? I missed that headline.

      • http://plus.google.com/+OleOlson novenator

        Well, to be fair, no. However, the initial targeted campaign was very good at ousting them from power, and if we had kept the focus on that instead of allowing conservatives to divert our attention, talent, and money to the Iraqi quagmire, we should have had a REAL mission accomplished and been out in 2 years. Now it seems like we’re just breeding more sympathy for the Taliban by botched drone strikes and no nation building/education/etc.

    • http://irasciblemusings.com/ Bob Cronos

      Leave it to the left to threaten death for those that disagree with them…

      • mea_mark

        Nobody is threatening death, we are just pointing out how the real tactical advantage lays with the Government and not these criminal whiners. These people are so outclassed it is unbelievable. They are being tolerated despite there extreme stupidity and criminal activities. It is by the graciousness of the legal system that they haven’t all been rounded up yet. The government has been giving them time to come to their sense, unfortunately is doesn’t look like they have the mental capacity to realize the situation they are in. It is just a matter of time …

      • http://www.the-trades.com rjcarter

        You’ve seen the Google autofill, too?

      • OHDisqusNSA666100

        You mean the racist America-hater Clive Bundy and his un-patriotic supporters who are inciting sedition during a time of war?

      • SWEETSWOO

        Stop deflecting. Bundy owes AMERICAN taxpayers a million dollars. If Bob Cronos you do not like living under this Government and it’s rules- Then maybe you should go to say Cambodia where it is a holiday to use the washroom. Otherwise Sedition is NOT something that should be taken with a grain of salt.

    • Billy Mullins

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Taliban are alive and going strong in Afghanistan even now. This despite the coalition having at least 10-to-1 numeric superiority for the entire duration of operations. They have set up a shadow government which actually governs. Their courts, while dealing out exceedingly harsh judgments, are scrupulously fair and their judges cannot be bought. They are winning by the simple expediency of governing.

      Think on this. The Taliban, despite being outnumbered by a factor of no less than 10 and despite having vastly inferior, outright antique arms are still going strong. Were it to come down to an insurgency here in the U.S. those 3% “wackos” would possess a numerical superiority of at least 6-to-1 over the entirety of the DoD. If the coalition cannot prevail over an insurgency it so outnumbers, how is the DoD going to prevail when IT is the one outnumbered?

      Though I doubt any of you people will believe it, we on the right are not insane; nor do we hate this country. Quite to the contrary it if folks like us who volunteer to DEFEND our republic. It is OUR sons and daughters who MAKE UP the very armed forces you would send against us. We are the veterans, parents, grandparents, sons, daughters, siblings and other relatives of veterans. We are the people who, on the one hand you revile and defame yet, when you feel threatened, call upon to protect and defend you. Do you believe that the thousands of us who have separated from the Armed forces since 9/11 somehow forgot all we knew the moment we separated? Do you believe that none of us have joined local militias and even now are training and leading our fellow militia members?

      We are your neighbors. Your co-workers. You pass us on the streets and on the highways and in the Malls daily. We do not call for YOU to suffer, why do wish US to suffer?

      • OHDisqusNSA666100

        You are our enemy, you’re traitors, and you’re racists. Quit with the sedition during wartime before your hurt yourself.
        Get over yourself, Americans don’t want to be protected BY you, Americans want to be protected FROM you. Americans are forgiving, peace-loving, and respectful of law and order – you’re lucky for that – you might not believe this but patience has it’s limits.

        • bloodyspartan

          I love how you traitors come up with a new word for Revolution guaranteed by the Declaration and call it sedition,

          Oh yeah we got em. LIke most Tyrannical rulers and their followers .
          I was only following orders.

          Clever lawyer trick , but no it is called Revolution and allowed under US LAW
          ..
          Really read the Declaration Binding forever.

          • OHDisqusNSA666100

            Whatever conservative, America already is revolutionary, we don’t need you guys and your racism in order to be revolutionary.
            Get some patriotism.

        • Billy Mullins

          “Sedition during wartime”????? Sedition is defined as “conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.” What actions are calling “seditious”? I do see people saying that many of us out here in flyover country have limited patience. But that is more nearly akin to a rattlesnake’s rattle. So long as no one crowds the snake overly much, it will never strike. It is the same with the folks who believe that a revolution is near.

          And yet in a sense I suppose that any discussion of rebellion could be considered sedition. Remember, our own Republic was born of the words and acts of “seditionists”. No government peacefully steps aside. But, as Jefferson put it so clearly in the Declaration, whenever any Government becomes destructive of the inalienable rights of men, as evidenced by what Jefferson termed “a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object”, then, for the people so affected, ” it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security”. Nobody ever said it was “legal” for people to rebel. But since history is written pretty much by the victors, the ultimate “legality” of any rebellion is entirely dependent upon which side prevails. If it is the “rebels” then, as in the case of the rebellion which brought our own nation into being, it is found – by means of what can truly be termed “trial by combat” – to have been “legal”. If the government prevails – as in the case of the “whiskey rebellion” or “Shay’s rebellion” – then the rebellion was “illegal”. It is a simple matter, really. History will decide if folks like Mike Vanderboegh are seditionists and trators or visionaries. I, for one can live with that. What about you?

          • OHDisqusNSA666100

            It’s racism and sedition and this is a time of war, pure and simple conservative.

          • Billy Mullins

            If so, then why do folks such as Mike Vanderboegh or Stewart Rhodes or Richard Mack or David Codrea or Kurt Hofmann (or a legion of others) still walk free? But I see you are beyond reason and bid you good day. I reiterate, neither I nor anyone with whom I identify wish harm to befall you and yours. Why do you call down calamity upon us? In the immortal words of Rodney King, “Can’t we all get along?”

          • OHDisqusNSA666100

            Cliven the racist freak Bundy. Sedition during a time of war.

      • Perrofelix

        Way to sound quite noble, by equating the US right with the US military. But you are NOT one in the same as the US military, no matter how much Evangelical agitprop you have insinuated into the military. And many of the militants among you are actually agitating for a “race war,” against the “takers” and others think that you are going to defend our Republic from people such as myself, a gay atheist.

        Oh, and speaking as a gay atheist, when you say , “We do not call for YOU to suffer” — oh yes you do. You believe in the complete, unimpeded freedom to be straight, white and Christian. Anyone else can bite it.

        • Billy Mullins

          You know nothing of my personal beliefs, little man. As a matter of fact and for your information, I am – always have been – more precisely a libertarian than what passes these days for a conservative. I have never been able to see how someone else’s living arrangements affected what my wife of 40+ years and I have. So long as they do not get in my face about it I could not care WHAT someone believes, Jefferson said it best, “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” Jefferson also said, “Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law,’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.”

          I never posited a one-for-one correlation between conservatives and membership in the armed forces. Kindly quote the statement you believes supports your scurrilous assertion. But it is a documented fact that people who believe more like me are vastly more likely to be motivated to serve in the armed forces. I’m not sure why, but it is so. I know that I personally never worked wit or for or even encountered anyone who could be described as being a “progressive” for the entirety of the decade that I word stripes on my sleeves. Apparently some members of the officer corps are what could be called “progressives” and it is undeniable that the officer corps is enormously more political than the enlisted corps. Indeed, I never encountered any officer above the rank of Lt. Colonel who was not a consummate politician. But none of even the officers I encountered could reasonably have been described as being “progressives”.

          The only people I have observed to be advocating, calling for or threatening “race war” have been “people of color” – Black people not to put too fine a point to it. Other than neo-nazis (and remember, the “zi” in “nazi” is short for the German word for “socialist”) I have never encountered or observed caucasians calling for “race war”. In the most virulent racism I, personally, have encountered/observed has been from people of color and usually black. Of course I grew up in Texas rather than the true “deep south” so my experience is admittedly limited.

          LOL, I certainly never personally expect to have to defend anyone from such as yourself. In my experience you folks are highly unlikely even to OWN the necessary instruments to be ABLE to threaten me or mine. Now how about you go play a few bars of skin flute and leave the thinking to those of us who can.

          • Perrofelix

            You claimed you were were speaking for the right. See your “we on the right,” followed by “we” “we” “we,” “us” “us” “us”. Or are you taking the whole “not a true Scotsman” argument to an extreme? Or all the Maggie Gallaghers, Donald Sterlings (a registered Republican no matter how hard you try to spin it the other way), George H. W. Bushes (“I don’t know that atheists should be regarded as citizens”) etc. suddenly dyed-in-the-wool liberals? You cannot speak for the right and then disavow any of the positions taken overwhelmingly by those on the right as belonging primarily to those on the right simply because they are not your own positions.

            You think the author of the Turner Diaries was a minority? Tim McVeigh, who was influenced by it? Yes, there are examples of minorities calling for race war too, tragically and stupidly but saying they are the only ones is casting a pretty blind eye to a ton of racism on the right.

            As for the quote you asked for, you really just needed to reread your post. “…we on the right are not insane; nor do we hate this country. Quite to the contrary it if folks like us who volunteer to DEFEND our republic. It is OUR sons and daughters who MAKE UP the very armed forces you would send against us. We are the veterans, parents, grandparents, sons, daughters, siblings and other relatives of veterans. We are the people who, on the one hand you revile and defame yet, when you feel threatened, call upon to protect and defend you.”

        • empire47

          If you believe that it’s the right agitating for a race war you haven’t been paying attention. Who is it that is constantly fanning the flames of race division in this country? Not the right. While I too disagree with their reluctance to allow legalization of gay marriage, the people who hold to their religious beliefs are not your enemy. Yes, there is a religion who will kill those who don’t believe and conform to their way of thinking, but it’s not Christians. The right is a proponent of smaller government with less government intrusion into our lives, the left are proponents of larger government that controls almost every aspect of our lives. Again, who is the better supporter of freedom? When the government requires, under pain of criminal charges, that people violate their religious beliefs in the course of working in a business that they started and they own, tell me who is making who suffer? The flinging of baseless charges such as racism and sexism against the right is simply a tactic to deflect attention from the fact that it is the left who fan the flames of racism, sexism, class warfare, etc in order to increase their power over the citizenry. Just start paying attention to how minorities and women who support the right rather than the left are publicly treated, and how the left thinks that is perfectly ok.

      • http://plus.google.com/+OleOlson novenator

        So you admit that you are like the Taliban. Thank you.

        Note- for the record, I readily admit that insurrection might be needed someday, but these bundy ranch wackos are just a bunch of Fox Nuts. All brainwash and no thinking. They think social security is “tyranny”, but most of them have absolutely no problem with the military/security complex or police state. If they did, they would have helped out at Occupy instead of cheering the cops on when we were getting pepper sprayed for peacefully protesting.

        • Billy Mullins

          I admit nothing of the kind. I merely cite the two examples of the Taliban and the insurgents in Iraq where, despite never enjoying LESS than 10-to-1 numerical superiority, coalition forces have yet to eliminate the insurgencies. Imagine how much trouble U.S. forces would have fighting an insurgency that outnumbers THEM.

          But you believe what you will. As I wrote elsewhere here, nobody ever won an engagement by underestimating their opponent.

  • isaac

    I’m waiting to see if that rightie who was here a day or two ago comes back to reassure us all that the Bundyites are all warm and fuzzy, and to urge us to go down there for barbecue with them.

  • Linda1961

    Please proceed Vanderbeogh.

  • phoenixlake

    Lock them all 3% of them up in prison. Enough hatred of the USA getting front page news from a deadbeat. PAY UP or go to Federal Prison Cliven Bundy. ALL Tea Baggers are morons, especially the ones in Washington DC. Arizona and Alaska….Nevada California…..

    • z–man

      Lead the charge. We’re right behind you!

  • juicyfruityyy

    The Feds needs to go and just arrest these idiots. Their behavior is an act of terrorism.

    • http://irasciblemusings.com/ Bob Cronos

      Should have done that with the occufools too, arrested those idiots. Their behavior was an act of terrorism…

      • CherMoe

        The occupy movement was valid and they were treated like criminals. THIS, however, is a crime against all of us and they should be dealt with forthwith.

        • soljerblue

          All depends on whose ox is being gored, doesn’t it Cher? If you prefer the ones that shit on police cars and squat in their own filth in public parks, that’s your privilege.

        • empire47

          The occupy movement broke the law as a form of civil protest, that’s exactly what Bundy did. The occupy movement had a great negative impact on businesses in the areas they occupied, costing them business and money. Bundy had a negative impact on the government, although even $1mil is pretty much chump change to the government. Many elected leaders praised the occupy movement, Harry Reid labelled Bundy supporters as domestic terrorists. Please note that the NDAA (recently supported by a non decision from the SCOTUS) allows the government to arrest and detain indefinitely people it labels as threats with no charges, no lawyer and no appeal. Government power is growing exponentially while the people’s liberty has been reduced to something that the founders wouldn’t recognize. This is the type of government that statists seem to want, but it certainly isn’t what America is supposed to be about.

          • Swami_Binkinanda

            So unarmed avowedly peaceful demonstration from the center left is unacceptable, but armed intimidation by unruly and unstable groups against a lawful court sanctioned land management action is hunky dory?

            “Domestic terrorism” means activities with the following three characteristics:

            Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;

            Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and

            Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

            18 U.S.C. § 2332b defines the term “federal crime of terrorism” as an offense that:

            Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct; and

            Is a violation of one of several listed statutes, including § 930(c) (relating to killing or attempted killing during an attack on a federal facility with a dangerous weapon); and § 1114 (relating to killing or attempted killing of officers and employees of the U.S.).

          • empire47

            Well first off, I didn’t say either was more acceptable than the other, I said they were actually the same thing so try to respond to what I’m actually saying. The occupy actions were certainly “calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct” and they involved “acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law” like rape, and they certainly occurred “primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.”. Plus neither action killed or attempted to kill any officers or employees of the government. And AGAIN, the armed intimidation was initiated by the GOVERNMENT not by the Bundy crew. The folks that responded were reacting to the way the government initiated that armed action as it was completely unnecessary. Unless, of course, they were trying to once again make it very clear that we are under a police state and any resistance will be met with force of arms rather than traditional legal process. I don’t know you but I would hope that is not the kind of government that you support.

        • http://irasciblemusings.com/ Bob Cronos

          It was valid, right up until they broke the law and then claimed they had a right to break the law…

      • http://www.the-trades.com rjcarter

        I wish you luck with that argument. Blinders to parallels are firmly in place.

    • THusar

      Isn’t how this problem escalated?
      Define terrorism too while you are at it. It’s easy to espouse the buzzword of the day.

      • Swami_Binkinanda

        As defined by the statute, we have domestic terrorists in NV.
        http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition

        “Domestic terrorism” means activities with the following three characteristics:

        Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;

        Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and

        Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

        18 U.S.C. § 2332b defines the term “federal crime of terrorism” as an offense that:

        Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct; and

        Is a violation of one of several listed statutes, including § 930(c) (relating to killing or attempted killing during an attack on a federal facility with a dangerous weapon); and § 1114 (relating to killing or attempted killing of officers and employees of the U.S.).

    • Billy Mullins

      I don’t know if you realize it but if the Feds went in in their usual commando-style fashion the results would almost certainly be an entire family wiped out (something I expect pretty well ALL the “progressives” posting here would celebrate) and very likely the 21st Century equivalent to the Battle of Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775. And I think you know what happened 14 months later.

      Lest you think a revolution would make me (and a lot of us on the right) happy let me tell you I have recurring nightmares of a revolution. In such an instance, millions – even TENS of millions – would perish right here in the U.S. of A. The American economy – which is terribly shaky right now – could easily tank. I believe that if the U.S. economy tanked it would cause the global economy to crash as well. THAT scenario could see death on the scale of HUNDREDS of millions even BILLIONS! Conditions in third-world countries would be nightmarish at best. Following the collapse of the planetary transportation network famine would surly erupt on a scale never before seen. Islamic nations would be among the very hardest hit since none of them feeds themselves. Such conditions would not only put my personal survival at risk, but it would imperil my grandchildren and GREAT-grandchildren! Something I promise you I would not want to see (even though many here WOULD.).

      • mea_mark

        B.S. Go ahead, let out, you must be incredibly constipated to be so full of it. Does it hurt? I hope you are feeling better.

        • Billy Mullins

          You truly do not get it, do you? I almost feel sorry for you. You DO realize, don’t you, that it is YOUR attitude that is likely to bring on civil war, not mine.

          • hard2findu

            There is no need to worry Billy, do as you will, others will do as they see fit, somewhere they will meet, and walk side by side or face each other and fight. You can not change the nature of nature.

          • Billy Mullins

            On that, at least, we can agree. I suggest you read Colin Ryan’s When Men Become Truly Free”. And think on this:

            I would remind you of the closing lines

            [A] man with nothing left becomes fully empowered
            And he is the most unassailable weapon.

            It matters not whether anyone else believes that the man “truly” has “nothing left to lose”. Only what each individual thinks to be so.

            For no one lives in the “real” world
            But the world that they each percieve.
            It matters not what others might think
            But only what such men believe.
            If they believe that freedom can be bought by their death
            Then they’ll fight for their loved ones to their very last breath.

            And a man with nothing left to lose is a most unassailable weapon.

  • http://www.the-trades.com rjcarter

    You may very well be right, Art.

    • OHDisqusNSA666100

      Nothing “may” about it.

      • http://www.the-trades.com rjcarter

        Don’t you have a billy goat to block from crossing your bridge?

  • hard2findu

    A stuck match starts a forest fire.
    This must be treated as such or it will start to burn the forest.

    If we all were trees.

    Words of Wade

    • Billy Mullins

      True. But in whose hand is the “match”? I happen to believe it is the Federal Government which is about to ignite a conflagration which will consume millions of lives. It is the Federal Government which refuses to remain within the explicit boundaries set by the Constitution. Read Article 1, Sections 8 & 9 to learn the powers allocated by the States to the Federal Government. Read it in the context of the 10th amendment which I quote below for your edification:

      Amendment 10
      The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
      prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to
      the people.

      • hard2findu

        It does not really matter who has the match Billy, the forest burns non the less, fault will be assigned by the winner, as it always has been, the truth has nothing to do with it.
        Humans have done this since there was two of them who disagreed on something.

        (The venire of civilization is as thin as a hair. In THE moment of crisis, we revert to what we truly are, animals with weapons.
        I am not saying that we fail, we have had, at times, the ability to over come our animal nature.
        but on the most part we become that animal that will lash out, toward what is perceived as a threat. The results have been bloody, as the history of our kind has shown OVER and OVER again.
        This is one leaf from our family tree.
        Now be a good boy, and bite the apple from the tree of knowledge, or do you wish to stay blind.)
        From the book of leaves.
        Chapter 4
        Mother nature vs the religions of her children.

  • majii

    I remember Vanderboegh. He was the guy who advised others to get revenge via vandalism on democrats for voting to pass the ACA in 2010 while he kept his behind on his computer in AL. He fits in well with the crowd at the Bundy Ranch. Dude is an anti-government- disability-receiving-welfare-tool. He probably spent April’s check trying to get to NV to put in his two cents on this issue. I can imagine him calling Bundy repeatedly and asking when would be a good time for him to drop by the ranch.

    • hal

      Vanderboegh has the rights as an American Citizen to receive SSD payments, no matter what his position is regarding the federal government. It is the illegals and the welfare cheats who don’t deserve one penny of federal assistance from the taxpayer. It was men like Vanderboegh that stood on the firing line facing the Redcoats in the revolutionary war. It will be men like Vanderboegh that will again stand on the frontlines in the upcoming battles against a government whose doctrine is tyranny and income redistribution. It is people like you that are the scavengers, the ones who always follow whoever is popular and sucking up the bread crumbs from the victorious. It is people like you vote for people like Obama. And in the end, Obama will fall like all dictators have.

    • Billy Mullins

      For the record, Mike Vanderboegh was INVITED to speak. IIRC at least some of his travel expenses were paid for by the folks holding the rally – not the Bundys, by the by.

      • majii

        I didn’t say Vanderboegh actually called Bundy, but that I could IMAGINE him doing it.

  • CherMoe

    Bundy isn’t defending “liberty.” He’s defending what he believes is his RIGHT TO STEAL from the Federal Government and from the people of America. HE IS A LAW BREAKER. Send in the drones and take care of this little problem. This guy and his asinine gun wacko friends need to be shown that the freedoms our OURS and are NOT for mercenaries like him to take away!

    • Dana King

      “Send in the drones”, says the irrational statist who cannot win an argument using reason and logic because force is the only way your kind knows how to deal with things. Peace and tolerance? LOL, not that I can see.

      • April Morgan

        So Dana – THEY threaten with guns and you want US to threaten with gumdrops? Wait a minute – thought you RWNJs were all about blowing other countries up when they DIDN’T threaten us with guns. Make up your mind. Jaysus Chreeist the stupid is thick.

        • empire47

          April – maybe you missed it but the first ones to show up with guns and body armor were the U.S. government agents. For cows. Why hasn’t the government simply put a lien on the Bundy ranch like usually happens when you don’t pay the government? Why the ridiculous show of armed force? Is that not an implicit threat that “we are going to either kill your cows or kill you”? The people simply reacted to that threat and, because the government seems to treat every law enforcement activity like a military assault these days, we’re probably going to see more of that. Yes, the stupid sure is thick, especially among the statist crowd.

          • SWEETSWOO

            Stop Distracting from the Truth which is this– Bundy owes ALL of us a million dollars. We are the taxpayers and this is all of our government– stop being so ignorant that you think you can wake up in AMERICA with this government and not be a part of it.

          • soljerblue

            Bundy owes you dick, Sweets. We have only the BLM’s word for that million dollar number, while Bundy says it’s more like $300K and he’s willing to pay the State of Nevada, Bundy stopped paying in ’93 when he allegedly learned that BLM was using the land fees not to improve the acreage of the ranches around Virgin River as per the original agreement, but simply to buy out ranchers who’d used that land for generations. I’d like to hear BLM’s explanation about why it waited 20 years to “collect” that debt, and then instead of using the standard tactic of a lien on Bundy’s property and herd, simply came in with armed agents, with dogs, tazers, guns and armored SUVs . There were no patriot militias out there the first weekend, only unarmed members of the Bundy family carrying camera phones. You statist sympathizers — the lot of you on here — seem to think you’re so damn superior. Keep sucking up to the District of Corruption — your turn’s coming.

          • SWEETSWOO

            LOL– I guess you said it all comrade

          • Billy Mullins

            You call soljerblue “comrade” but are YOU not more nearly a socialist than soljerblue is?

          • SWEETSWOO

            Hi Billy– no I am so American that I whistle the pledge of allegiance through all orifices.. What sol stated was NOT American. Although I respect what others say– I have no tolerance for the games –

          • SWEETSWOO

            Again this is NOT your fight sol- you are deflecting what really has happened here… You have your opinion and I have mine. We all come from different parts of this country and I am not from the wild wild west… I am a suburban girl in a suburban setting–working– keeping house– paying my taxes and all due respect to the other way of life as I always dreamed of being on a ranch and working with cowboys. But what I do not understand is why in the world would the militia get involved with this situation??They have destroyed their credibility the second they pointed their guns at federal officers…

          • Swami_Binkinanda

            Only the BLM’s word and decades of legal documentation, derp a derp. Pay the state of Nevada? Do you pay your phone bill to the power company? I bet that works out great for you. Do you think Bundy, who seems mentally ill and not competent to manage his own affairs based on his television appearances, would respond lawfully to a lien and forfeiture of property?

          • empire47

            So sweetie, you must want the government to send swat teams to the house of every person who owes back taxes, including members of congress and IRS employees, right? I mean what’s the difference? You approve of the use of government guns to settle this financial case, why not all of them ? Pay up or be shot, this is the government you support. By the way, this government that you love is starting to talk about controlling “hate speech” on the internet, so conform or be shot might be coming to your house too.

          • SWEETSWOO

            Sir – I pay my fair share- and work very hard in my life. I do not appreciate the fact that a man who is VERY fortunate can NOT live by a society governed by the laws of this land and then deflect to a military style situation. NO WAY he has the money to pay- he opens his big racist mouth and deflects every way he can. The fact that you side for him shows 2 things to me- either you are Un American or the same as Cliven Bundy.

          • empire47

            Way to deflect the questions, I’ll assume that the answer is yes, you support military style government swat raids for anyone who owes the government money. Please pay attention to the facts, the Bundy’s did not “deflect to a military style situation”, the government started with a military style situation bringing a heavily armed force to the desert to round up cows. Apparently you are ok with this type of government use of force for non violent civil cases, I’m not. Whether Bundy is a racist or not has no bearing on this case, unless, of course, you just would like to see him killed for it. The government should simply put a lien on his property just like they usually do to people who owe them money. The military response was way out of line and done to make the point that we citizens live under threat of violence if we defy those who would take away our liberty. Too many innocent people are being killed by over zealous law enforcement pretending to be military special ops when serving warrants or restraining 80 year old guys in wheelchairs or captives lying face down on the concrete with hands cuffed behind their back. They get away with it pretty much every time simply by saying that they felt threatened. Well we should all be feeling threatened by the police state that is rapidly establishing itself in this country. I’m not attacking you, I’m simply saying that you are attacking the wrong party in this case.

          • SWEETSWOO

            Upfront first I want to say Hello to you empire and I have respect for everyones points of view. I advocate freedom in this country and I respect what the militia did going to the aid of someone- however Cliven Bundy himself is someone who misguided this militia group as I wish this group with no real authority would have NEVER pointed guns at Federal officers.They are now all deemed terrorist’s by our government. That destroys the actual moral fiber these people have if there was any REAL reasons why these groups even exist. Be it that anyhow– What you have written is really interesting –Thank you for your perspective as I do not want you to get the impression I would impose anything other than a mutual respect–Thanks

          • empire47

            I appreciate that Sweetswoo, and I say Hello to you. I’m not saying that Bundy is a good person or that what he did was right, I’m just saying that the government response to him was what caused this to happen. A property lien would have gone unnoticed by the rest of the country and there would not have been a showdown. There were actions on the part of the militia folks that I also don’t agree with but the reason they were there is as American as you can get and it needed to be done. I think it sent a strong message to the government and it will be interesting to see what the next move is. Lets hope cooler heads prevail, on both sides.

          • Swami_Binkinanda

            It is called the law and Bundy has had more than enough time to settle up after a series of trials as guaranteed by the constitution of the government he doesn’t believe in anymore (once he stopped getting nickles under his pillow for teeth).

    • THusar

      I find it ironic that our more progressive colleagues are the first to advocate for extreme violence against others.
      Of course, it is always someone else who must actually do the dirty work for them. Send in the clones, right?

      • mea_mark

        Bundy started this mess twenty years ago. Now he has brought in the gun-toting anti-government fringe far-right militia-wannabe types. You really think progressives are the first to advocate for extreme violence?

        • Billy Mullins

          {quote} Bundy started this mess twenty years ago.{/quote}
          No, he did not. The Federal Government did long before that when it decided to own land with in a State in direct contravention of its own law (signed by George Washington, no less). Federal law prohibits the government from owning any land within the boundaries of a State save that upon which one of its installations (courthouse, office building, hospital, military installation etc.) sits, AND THEN solely with the permission of that State’s Legislature.

          Nobody “brought in” anyone, much less Clive Bundy. Individuals heard of his plight and VOLUNTARILY traveled to Bundy’s ranch – on their own dime, I might add. They were prepared to defend the Bundy family – WITH THEIR LIVES if needs be – in the case of a Waco or Ruby Ridge scenario. They were (likely still are) prepared for some sort of paramilitary operation which would have almost certainly have resulted in the deaths of the entire Bundy clan. I, personally, still consider it a likelihood that such will occur. I figure the Bundys have been walking dead since the feds withdrew a couple of weeks ago.

          • sulphurdunn

            Please be so kind as to cite the federal law that prohibits it from managing public lands with or without George Washington’s signature affixed to it.

          • Billy Mullins

            Why? You would just explain it away. Face it. You and your ilk believe that government can do anything it pleases. I believe that government will do whatever it can get away with. I also believe that there is nothing wrong with the government that could not be corrected by the judicious application of rope and/or rifle rounds. Or as the very wise Kurt Hofmann put it, “Remember: Evil exists because good men don’t kill the government officials committing it.”

          • http://comgen.blogspot.com/ ComGen

            Oddly these folks and like minds always go straight to violence ” I also believe that there is nothing wrong with the government that could not be corrected by the judicious application of rope and/or rifle rounds. ” — Billy Mullins and ignore the very constitution they claim to protect.

            ” We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ” — some piece of paper signed in the 1700’s :-)

            ” …you and your ilk believe that government can do anything it pleases ” — Billy Again

            Guess he hasn’t seen the outrage most of us have with the GOP trying to control women, religion, money, and put in place may laws that go against our founding fathers ideals.

          • teddy23

            “WITH THEIR LIVES”
            Now that’s funny considering that the MILITIAmen cowards planned to hide behind their women and children.

          • Billy Mullins

            Believe what you will. Nobody ever won an engagement by understimating their opponent.

          • Kevin Schmidt

            Obviously that law no longer applies, since the Federal Government legally owns land in all 50 states. All courts from the local, state, federal and Supreme Court agree, as do all 50 legislatures, Congress, the President and most of the people.

          • Jeff Johnson

            Complete and total bullshit. That land became the federal government’s when it was purchased and annexed to the nation. It was federal land before the state was even born, clueless one.

            And, we really don’t know for certain that “nobody brought any militia in.” The word that’s bouncing around is that the Koch dynasty was involved in stirring this whole thing up, so it’s entirely possible and even likely that they were the ones calling out for the idiot, jobless, infantile, tiny-penis-ed, dumbass, cowardly, anti-American “militia.”

            As for “prepared to defend with their lives,” this is another line of complete and total bullshit. By their own admission, their plan was to put women and children out front, so that THEY would take the bullets. How courageous of them. Rest assured, they’d have been cowering like the pussies they are, well beyond reach of federal ammunition.

            The feds don’t have to kill Bundy. They can financially ruin him with great ease, which is exactly what should happen. Let him move to some other country to mooch off the public. We don’t need to be propping anti-American losers like him up in the first place.

      • SWEETSWOO

        LOL and that is the reason why the so called Oathkeeper militia set up checkpoints on Federal lands with no authority and called a larger area around Bundy ranch the killzone.

    • SWEETSWOO

      CherMoe you said it perfectly. Well Said and addressed.

  • Dana King

    Nice strawman. So you assert that if King Barry and his minions decided to go all heil hitler on everyone would mean that all who disagreed with it is an anti-government tool? I think you watch too many ignorant talking heads telling you what you should think. Is it any wonder why this country is so divided when more than half have zero reasoning skills and believe that rationalizing is using reason. What a sorry joke.

  • Don Berghuis

    As I understand it, the “3%” thing came from the contention that 3% of the population of the colonies supported the idea of the American Revolution. Correct me if I am wrong and if that contention of 3% support for the Revolution is correct.

    • z–man

      Back then, 1/3 agreed with independence, 1/3 were opposed, and 1/3 didn’t care either way. Of those who agreed with independence, the revolution was actively supported by about 20% of those through providing services, help or materiel/equipment. The actual fighting was done by about 3% of that 1/3. As for the Bundy ranch people comparing themselves to 1776, well, I’m not sure that’s entirely accurate.

    • Billy Mullins

      That is correct. At most 3% of the population actively fought the Redcoats. Another 10% or so actively supported the rebels with a further 20% who agreed with the rebels. Approximately 1/3rd of the population was essentially neutral with the remaining 1/3rd supporting the loyalists to various degrees. By the time of Lord Cornwallis’ surrender it is believed that more colonists were fighting along side the Redcoats than against them.

  • OHDisqusNSA666100

    All of a sudden we don’t have any prisons? What, locking up criminals is impossible in the USA?
    There ain’t no millions of them. Bundy and a few freaks who think they have weapons.
    They’re racist scum, vermin, prison is too good for them. Just shoot them.

    • mea_mark

      Advocating shooting and killing people is not welcome here. If you wish to have your comments to not be deleted, please refrain from such talk.

      • z–man

        Really? Below you write: “1 drone and a couple blackhawk helicopters would lay waste to these idiots so fast they wouldn’t know what hit them.”…. . Sounds like you are advocating killing to me. Or perhaps this policy doesn’t apply to you or those whom you agree with?

        • mea_mark

          I wasn’t advocating it, I was pointing out the ridiculousness of their position and how easily they could be overcome. I am sorry if that was lost to you. I did mention making huge potholes in the road though. I don’t know how you correlate that with killing people though.

          • z–man

            Thanks for clearing that up.

      • OHDisqusNSA666100

        Then there isn’t much for me to say here, or much to be said here, about these anti-American terrorists.

  • mea_mark

    I was referring to novenator’s comment, not Bundy and his followers.

    • SWEETSWOO

      I see–Thank you– it is hard to understand some of these as the comment section is NOT properly set up– too many mixed.

  • Nicko Thime

    That sure sounds like Vanderbeogh who is selling the wolf tickets.
    I don’t hear Harry THREATENING a civil war, I hear this loudmouth running his yapper. I see HIS “3%”ers with civilians in their gunsights while hiding behind women and children.

    • Billy Mullins

      Mike Vanderboegh isn’t “threatening” anything any more than a rattlesnake shaking its tail is threatening to strike. Like the rattler, the Dutchman is warning of probable consequences of Federal action. A warning is not a threat.

      If by “civilians” in their gunsights you mean marauding Federal agents then yes they were. But I do not believe that the Feds consider themselves to be “civilians” – at least not entirely.

  • glogrrl

    Lovely…..great speech from a “Christian” conservative.

  • Paul4548

    All hat. No cows.

  • Swami_Binkinanda

    At least he finally admitted his deep fascination with Harry Reid’s balls. One day he will emerge like a new butterfly from the cocoon of his closeted life. The militia simply is marching for the D.

    • SWEETSWOO

      Very nice.

  • OHDisqusNSA666100

    Duh, I am a teabagger conservative republican.
    Sedition is patriotism even during a time of war.
    Grazing should be free.
    The Koch brothers should own the land because they won’t ever charge fees or ever collect when we refuse to pay.
    Moreover, we must restore the lost status of the Negro.
    I am not a racist.
    Sedition isn’t sedition unless you disagree with a war based on lies that has no point while the troops are still fighting.
    George Washington waged war against the Redcoats so that makes it okay to incite sedition against our Democracy during a time of war.
    3% over the 97%. 47% of Americans are lazy. 1% of Americans works hard. I’ll be rich one day so I am part of the hard workers.

    • SWEETSWOO

      There are nut houses by you somewhere –please check in and tell them you need medication because obviously you are having some sort of nervous breakdown.

    • z–man

      “George Washington waged war against the Redcoats so that makes it okay
      to incite sedition against our Democracy during a time of war.” ………Too bad you don’t really know what you’re talking about here..

    • Kevin Schmidt

      Hey Stephen Colbert, they don’t get your subtle over the top sarcasm.
      Perhaps if you added another duh?

    • PietSmit

      let them all bring their cattle to ‘Bundy’s land’ and have a nice shoot-out over their ‘right for free grazing’. Then those militias and their hardware finally have a good use.

  • Kevin Schmidt

    Mike Vanderbeog is a hunched over old man with a big fat mouth.
    Harry Reid is a boxer who can shut him up with a couple big fat lips.

    • z–man

      Now that, I would like to see!

  • Guest

    Doesn’t it seem typical that the righties now support lawlessness, mob rule, treason and domestic terrorism, and the old lefties are the ones preaching adherence to the Constitution and Federal Law?

  • Jeff Johnson

    I’m gonna go out on a huge limb here and guess that this idiotic little child found a way to avoid serving his country during time of war. These tough-talking little wingnut pussies are all the same. As long as they can hold a gun to pretend it’s their penis, they’re all monster tough. Give them a chance to actually prove their toughness, and they run away crying like little babies.

    This idiot needs to be locked away in a rubber room.

    But, beyond that, isn’t it about time for these dipshit, anti-American tough talkers to band together, buy one or two of those crappy, hellhole “red” states, and secede? What’s with the delay? We certainly don’t need their lazy, “taker” asses, and we sure as hell don’t want their divisive, hate-filled, bigoted, idiotic beliefs continuing to rot away the rest of this nation, like a malignant tumor. It’s time we cut these idiots loose, and then sit back and watch in great glee as they literally devour and destroy themselves, without the support of the federal teat that’s been propping their worthless asses up for decades. Fuk ‘em. Let the America haters rot.

  • Jeff Johnson

    How come extremist, rightwingers hate this country so? These idiots literally HATE the foundational document and principles of this nation. Why are they still allowed to live here? Shouldn’t they be packing their bags and heading off to some “utopia land” like Somalia, where there’s no pesky, evil, big gubmint to have to deal with? This nation is CLEARLY not the nation that they lust for.

  • Perrofelix

    That’s quite a large number of Indiana alumni that can financially support two whole cable news networks!

    • z–man

      LOL. Well, you see, the point is, that nutbag above made the claim that “gender studies” programs don’t exist. They do.

  • Betty Eyer

    The “property clause”. The Fed has the right to own and maintain property. And I’m pretty sure that it’s illegal to aim a fire arm at a federal agent who is in the process of performing his duties.

  • http://www.thecosmicsurfer-rantingsofamadwoman.com/ Cosmic_Surfer

    Obviously you know no one on the left – this site is hardly left – left of center on occasion but hardly “the Left”‘. As the sole anarcho socialist here, I can assure you, you know nothing about what is ” the Left”. What you perceive to be left is your owned and operated Republican controlled House and various states from Arizona to Texas. They are claiming to “conservatism”.

    As for Police State…Hypocrisy much?

    http://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/apr/28/sheriff-urged-clamp-down-armed-militiamen-around-b/#.U2FwXR4vxmQ.google_plusone_share

  • PietSmit

    so when you question squatting and freeloading you support a police state…
    Meanwhile those thugs do their best to provocate a police state